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Batman Page FINAL by BrattyBen Batman Page FINAL by BrattyBen
Finally!!!!

This is the final version of the page I've been working on.
Thanks for everyone's help on getting this in tip top shape. All of your critiques and comments have been invaluable.
I actually put a new board on top of the old one and traced the whole thing over. The first was way too dirty. This came out pretty clean.

I learned a couple of things working on this. One, trust my instincts. I got too wrapped up on a couple of things and totally overworked the page. It took me too long to come up with something I was happy with.
Two, I need to be a bit faster. One thing I totally didn't need to do was pencil in all the black areas. I know that's considered a kind of no-no. At least to some editors I've spoken with in the past.
I mostly did that because it was late, I wanted to draw, but, didn't have the energy to start a new page.
But, next time, totally blocking in shapes and doing the 'x' thing. Maybe.

Here's the inks. -->[link]

Here's the grays. -->[link]
So, on to the next page....

Thanks again everybody!!
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duss005 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008
hey ben, from what you asked on my journal about the page-

being these are your samples, 5 pages a month isnt really much to sweat on, so fill them in the blacks and include your x's, but dont go overboard on the x's. make them as clean and presentable as possible. this is basically what's representing your life's work up to that point.

when you start doing pages on a monthly and its 4-7 pages a week, then you can work out a shorthand between yourself and your inker. most of the time, the editor never even sees your pages until they're inked, so its really up to you to clarify to your inker and also to make sure you get all your details in places.

working with all silhouettes is very powerful and very effective when done well, but try to have a few panels with drawn out details for samples. 5 pages of samples drawn in all silhouette and done in the dark would might leave the editor wondering if you're taking too many shortcuts rather than thinkign it is a style. show them you can do both.

im not sure if you have more pages to follow this, so i cant comment on the pacing and story telling.

hope that helps any man.

oh yeah, lastly, if you're trying for penciling, i woudl just devote my entire time on penciling pages and working on the storytelling, put aside worrying about inks and colors for now.
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BrattyBen Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008
Wow, man! Thanks a bunch for responding. I appreciate it immensely.

I do have more pages to follow, and I'll take your advice on showing the details when I need to. I think you're right in saying that not everything should be in shadow. I do not want it to look like I'm taking short cuts. That would suck.

And I did get a bit carried away with this one as far as finishing it up. I'm devoting the rest of my time on these pages to solely working on the pencils.

Thanks again man. That was great!
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duss005 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008
no problem man, i guess just keep in mind to not fall too much in love with each page that you don't allow yourself to move on. shoot for at least 3-4 pages every 2-3 weeks if you can. after a show, keep sending in 3-4 new pages every month to have stuff constantly on editor's desks.
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BrattyBen Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008
That's a great idea. I can totally manage that!
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Qurious Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
This is the point! I like this. Your sending it to DC right!
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BrattyBen Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
Actually, I'm doing up six pages, and taking it and my portfolio to Emerald City Comic-Con. Dan Didio, editor of DC, will be there, and I'm planning on waiting in line for three hours to get him to look at and critique my work. I'm not holding my breath for a job, but, if I get the slightest hint of some kind of interest, then that'll make my day.
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Qurious Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2008
This will be great. I wish I could make it. I was going to try to make the comic con in Cali but I don't think I'm going to have the funds for it. Good luck man!
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BrattyBen Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2008
Hell, man. I'm only taking enough for gas and food. I'm lucky that my friend lives near there, otherwise I wouldn't be able to go either.
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RCarter Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
nice work i agree with :iconyourbuddybuddy: was nice to see a walkthrough of the pencilling process, u plan to submit this for DC pencils?
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BrattyBen Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
Yeah. I probably won't be submitting as much on the others as I did on this one. Just because of time, BUT, I learned so friggin' much on this piece that I think that energy is certainly going to carry over on the other ones.

And when I get stuck, who else will I turn to?
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NuclearConvoy Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
I'd totally LOVE to see this inked by a pro.
I get satisfaction from seeing the diference between penciled pages and inked pages, and seeing how everything comes together between two individual artists.
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BrattyBen Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
I'm working on the inked version right now.
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NuclearConvoy Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
Oh, spiffy keen!
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BrattyBen Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
bang. [link]
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centric-prometheus Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, everyone said it. I'll repeat: It's wonderful. I loved watching the pencils and placements play out, really exciting.
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BrattyBen Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
I'm glad. It was fun getting everybody to help me out!!
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:iconthe-fake-kevin-smith:
Beautiful! Love the stubble on Batman!
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BrattyBen Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
I think it makes him scary. I mean, you've got this loon after you in the middle of the night, the last thing you want is him rubbing his stubble against you. Ouch!
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:iconthe-fake-kevin-smith:
Wait.... Why is Batman rubbing faces? Lol!!!! XDDDDDDD!!!!! Sorry, I had to!
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BrattyBen Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
What? Doesn't he rub everybody's face?
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:iconthe-fake-kevin-smith:
Maybe with a fist...
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dan-sch Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
Oh, now THIS is what I want to see when I crack open an issue of Detective Comics! I loves me the stubble -- Bruce had a long day of golfing and clubbing to do before he suited up, and damn it, there just wasn't time to shave. I also like the forehead wrinkles on the top panels, where he's concentrating on the leaf. The absence of those lines on the Bat/Bull panel shows that he's not angry at Bullock at all, just kind of annoyed.
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BrattyBen Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
THANK Heavens there are readers like you!!! You totally picked up on the reason I didn't use the wrinkles in that panel. You're totally right. My thought was that when dealing with pretty much anybody that's annoying him, in his head Bats is thinking, 'yeah...i can totally kick his ass'.

Glad you like it!!
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dan-sch Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
Oh, cool. Yay me.
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BrattyBen Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
LOL. :boogie:
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MangaAngel Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
yeah the whole process was intriguing!!! i learnt so much looking at this evolve and reading everybody's comments... glad you used my leaf tip... and glad you took anjin's desk tip...

i love all the different perspectives on the panels... the expressions work amazingly... and the bat is so well presented it's not comics anymore it's art!!!

i bow to you and hope it gets you what you needed!!! good luck!!!
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BrattyBen Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
Thanks so much for all the kind words! I definitely tip my hat to all of those who left me really helpful comments. And that leaf tip was great! I wouldn't have considered that, but, it's totally logical when you look at it. Like they say, "the devil's in the details".
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MangaAngel Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
No problem man!!! any time...
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msynowicz Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
That first panel is perfect. Well done man.
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BrattyBen Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
Thanks. That was totally a combined effort with everyone here on DA. I couldn't ask for a better panel.
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scottygod Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
Well done. This is a nice looking page. Nice composition and it flows really well. I understand about filling in your blacks. It so hard to visualize with those little x's, though.
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BrattyBen Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
I know. Scott Allie, editor of Dark Horse, told me a few years ago that seasoned editors can automatically translate those x's into black fields. I've tried, but, I can't do it.
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thatjuniorbruce Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
All of that hard work paid off, m'man! The evolution of this piece was fascinating to watch. Thanks a bunch for sharing it.
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BrattyBen Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
No problem, buddy. I was hoping I wasn't boring anybody. But, I thought that this was something I wanted to share, but, I got back so much in return. It's really everybody's page, when you think about it.:)
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thatjuniorbruce Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2008
Y'know, you're right! And I'll expect my part of your first paycheck. ;)
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